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jenna: we're so glad you're with us everybody. i'm jenna lee. happening now the president looking to gain some lost ground in last night's fiery second debate. we'll see if he actually does that. both the president and governor romney, literally at times, jon, going toe-to-toe. jon: yeah. jenna: it got a little close there. jon: it sure did. jenna: kind of in that spoken, right? -- zone, personal zone. interruptionses filled the debate. there were so many challenges on so many different topics from the economy to taxes to the terror attack in libya energy. specifically on energy there was quite an exchange when it came to federal drilling permits. take a look at this. >> that's the problem. in the last four years you cut permits and licenses on federal land in federal waters in half. >> not true, governor romney. >> how much did you cut them. >> not true. >> how much did you cut them? >> governor we produced more oil. >> no, no, how much did you cut licenses and permits on federal land and open
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waters. >> governor, romney here is what we did. >> i had a question. how much did you cut them by? >> i'm happy to answer the question. >> all right. and it is? >> here is what happened you had a whole bunch of oil companies --. jenna: maybe they should draw a line. you can't pass this line? jon: that was something. jenna: big question, did all the fireworks move the needle with some of the most crucial voters, those that are undecided at this time? joining us now the anchor of "fox news sunday", chris wallace. what do you think? >> well i think it moved the needle in this sense, it was really quite astonishing what happened after the first debate. it really turned this whole rice around and obama was hemorrhaging in the national polls. he was hemorrhaging in a lot of the key swing state polls. i think that the president's performance last night probably will stop the bleeding. that it will energize his base, who felt that he showed up, ended up missing in the first debate in
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denver and so it will certainly encourage his base and you know the polls indicate it was a tie or maybe obama won slightly but the main point is, that it sos the bleeding and that's very important because if he had another debate performance like he did in denver, he was in real danger of losing this election. jenna: so he didn't. he did something different this time around. let's talk about timing chris as you bring up. we're five days away from the next debate. we're less than three weeks away from election day. speak to us about timing, this debate, this conversation happening now? >> well, you know clearly to a certain degree this will run right into it. i thought this was a such a crucial and decisive week because, you know, people will process this. then we'll be right into the next and final debate on foreign policy. i would think by the end of that, people are going to kind of made up their mind. then it become as question of ground game, who can get more of their supporters out. in a race looks like this is razor thin close, ground
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game will be the decisive factor. looks like the polls nationally and swing states will be in the margin of error. it is a question of turnout. can you get more of your supporters to the polls than the other guy can get his supporters. jenna: interesting you mentioned that, chris. in the next hour we'll talk to a new hampshire journalist. one of the things he is watching democrats on the ground in new hampshire are turning to social issues more than the economy right now to rally people, to get them inspired to hit the polls. just curious based on what we saw last night, so many topics were covered including ones with social issues as well, what do you think is going to rise to the surface over the next couple days as you prepare for "fox news sunday"? what do you think is going to be the topic that gets the most attention? >> i think give the fact that the last poll is on foreign policy we're going to talk primarily about foreign policy and there is a big issue there, that is of course the president's statement, some will say misstatement about libya and what he said the day after in the rose garden.
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i just happen to have here because i thought we would end up talking about this. this is the transcript of the statement that the president made the day after the attack that killed the four americans in libya. the president said last night that he called it an act of terror. in fact, he discusses the attack here in paragraph two. then he goes for eight paragraph, immediately thereafter he starts talking about the video and saying that we in the united states do not denigrate any religion. he goes for eight paragraphs. starts talking about 9/11. the fact this was the anniversary of 9/11 and morning went on. it is eight paragraphs later when he talks about no acts of terror. i don't think anybody reading or listening to what he said that day on september 12th thought he was specifically calling the attack in benghazi a terrorist attack. i must say, nobody in the reporting of it that day said that he had said that. so i do think he misstated what he in fact said, on september 12th and i suspect
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that is going to be a big subject for the next few days as we pour over that. obviously it will be a subject that will be gone over i think in great detail. i would hope so, in the final foreign policy debate next monday. jenna: something we'll be talking about a lot today. interesting to see the moderator weigh in on the topic as well last night, chris. a lot to get to. appreciate you joining us. see you on sunday as always. >> you bet. jenna: chris will anchor "fox news sunday". check your local listing for the time. you don't want to miss that this close to the election especially. jon: we heard chris correcting some of what the president said and we heard some of what governor romney and the president sparred over last night. how much was actually accurate? doug mckelway live in washington with a fact check for us. >> reporter: good morning, jon. there was a lot of loose play with the facts. let's start with questioner
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candy crowley permitted. >> in what ways you do intend to correct in the workplace, females making 72% what they earned. >> reporter: that 72% figure is a myth endured for years. the census bureau admitted as much last month. >> we don't have a way to measure equal pay for equal work. we compare full-time earnings for year-round work between men and women. >> reporter: in fact census data are a rough measure of women's wages versus all men wages without kind of jobs they choose to accommodate needs for families. a fact challenge that came up regarding taxes. >> he was on "60 minutes" just two weeks ago and he was asked, is it fair for somebody like you, making $20 million a year to pay a lower tax rate than a nurse or a bus driver, somebody making $50,000 a year?
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and he said yes, i think that's fair. >> reporter: the president there is comparing romney's investment income tax to payroll taxes for that bus driver or nurse. the president fails to mention that mr. romney paid income taxes when he first earned the money. then pays a second tax as the money is invested and he will pay a third tax, as he all will, estate taxes and death taxes when we all die. now to another issue. >> he keeps saying you want to take detroit bankrupt. president took bankrupt. you took general motors bankrupt. you took chrysler bankrupt. when you say i wanted to take the auto industry brumt, you actually did. >> reporter: in fact both men advocated bankruptcy for gm and chrysler. romney wanted a managed bankruptcy without the 34 billion bailout that preceded it. furthermore the bankruptcy that the president ultimately led dispensed with all precedent in bankruptcy law when it placed union creditors above secured creditors.
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many analysts said they had never seen that in the history of bankruptcy law. jon, back to you. jon: some interesting fact-checking, doug. doug mckelway in washington. thank you. jenna: we'll return to politics in a moment. first new information on the growing meningitis outbreak. fox news is confirming that a 16th person has died as the fda raids the pharmacy at the center of the health crisis. jonathan serrie has more from atlanta. jonathan, what prompted this raid now? >> reporter: involved in this operation were criminal investigators, not only from the fda but also the justice department. neither agency would say exactly what they were looking for, however, previously congressman edward markey had asked the justice department to investigate whether the new england compounding center had skirted federal law relating to controlled substances. a lawyer representing necc suggested last night's federal search of the pharmacy was unnecessary. in the words of paul sorell, we've been clear warrants
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weren't needed. asking would have produced the same result. nevertheless we continue to offer our cooperation. jenna. jenna: jonathan, what are we hearing from patients who were possibly, possibly infected? >> reporter: well you know the cdc estimates as many as 14,000 people were potentially exposed to tainted medication. now the vast majority of them are likely to go through without developing any symptoms but because the incubation period for these fungal infections is so long, many of them are going to have to wait for weeks and in some cases perhaps months before they know they're in the clear. so people who have gotten sick and those who are simply at risk of getting sick say the most difficult thing is the waiting. listen. >> no one's been in touch with me. >> it's the unknown that's upsetting. it's the waiting. you know, is something going to happen to him, you know? how am i going to cope with it. >> reporter: the new england
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compounding center faces an increasing number of lawsuits filed on behalf of people who claim that they have gotten sick as a result of these allegedly tainted meds from necc. jenna? jenna: still very much a developing story. jonathan, thank you. >> reporter: indeed. jon: right now searchers are looking for a young woman who left for work but never made it there. why investigators are concerned that something terrible might have happened to her. plus more reaction to the big debate last night from someone who was right there. an audience member tells us what it was like ringside as those two presidential candidates battled it out. >> governor, i got to actually, i need to have you both, i understand the stakes here. i understand both of you, but i will get run out of town if i don't allow -- >> mr. president, i just described you precisely how i do it. with a single number that people can put and put their deductions into that bucket. >> we're keeping track. i promise you.
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jon: now to some crime stories we're keeping an eye on, a desperate search for a barista near portland, oregon. whitney hichel never made it to work. her suv found abandoned hours later and her windows broking. if you have information call the police. investigators work around the clock on the canadian border trying to figure out why a driver shot a border agent and apparently killed himself as the very business peace arch crossing in washington state. the agent suffered series injuries. an ohio town on alert. school staff members accuse a custodian of carrying around a hit list and a gun. employee in question on leave while police investigate the incident. jenna: the audience at last night's presidential debate was full of real people with
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real concerns and all of them undecided when it comes to who will win the white house in the next month's election or who they will actually vote for in next month's election. our next guest was one of the lucky few picked to watch the whole thing live which is pretty cool. wendy biondi, a stay at home mother of four. nice to have you with us after exciting night last night. >> very exciting. jenna: how old are your kids. >> i have four at home. my oldest is eight and i have two identical girls who are five and 3-year-old boy. jenna: you have your hands full. >> very full. jenna: before last night how active have you been in the past when it comes to politics? >> i would like to say in touch with what's going on but not necessarily involved, heavily involved. i like to know what is going on and how it will affect me. jenna: not affiliated with any particular political party. >> no. jenna: how were you picked? how did the process go down? >> was contacted by gallup commission very randomly.
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i didn't fill out anything. they called me at home, 20 to 10:00. they called me. and asked for the youngest woman in the house over the age of 18 who is registered to vote. that was me. then they said are you divided, are you decided on who you're going to vote for? i said no. things started rolling. they asked if i wanted to participate in the debate. jenna: what was your response? right away yes or did you have concerns? >> i wasn't really sure if it was legitimate, you know. jenna: sure. >> you get these calls, strange calls all the time, initially i said, i started asking questions and what would be involved and they were asking a lot of personal questions like social security numbers and they said we had to go through secret service background check and criminal background check. i got a little concerned. they had given me numbers to contact so i could sort of verify. then i gave them the information. jenna: what was the process from that point on? how did they tell you to develop your questions? how did you go through that? >> after i guess, after you cleared the background check, they, mailed me a packet.
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they fedexed me a packet saturday morning which included my question cards and we were given four question cards for ourselves and for the moderator. and we had to just sort of come up with questions. jenna: gave now guidance on that. >> no. none whatsoever. whatever you wanted to ask. i sort of, my husband is very heavily involved in politics. he loves politics. so i discussed it with him. a lot oy friends i posed questions to them, what would you want to know if i could ask a question. so i gathered all the information together and we honed it in and streamlined to four questions. jenna: unfortunately we didn't hear from you. that is why it is exciting to hear from you. now we can have ire question all to ourselves. >> oh, boy. jenna: what was your question. >> my question was, i'm a mother of four and there are constant rises in fuel and food and employers are contributing less to health insurance costs and gas prices are rising. and i don't think it is so much what is going on, where
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are we now but where are we going to be in four years and how is it going to be less of a sacrifice for the middle class that my kids have something more? jenna: your kids was for your children. >> absolutely. absolutely. jenna: do you feel like you got any answers to that question last night. >> honestly, jenna, no. i am undecided and there was a lot of tension between the candidates last night. it was, it was, at least obama came out swinging and mitt got in there and they had to get their points out and i appreciate that but i don't really there were any solid answers. some but not as many i would like. jenna: as of right now still undecided. >> i am undecided. jenna: what do you think will help you make up your mind? >> well i know there's another debate coming. i'm hoping that we get a little, some clearer answers, not just as much fighting. i felt it was like so pomp and circumstance last night. like a lot of, everyone trying to get in and get their point across but not
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really making a point. jenna: both sides? >> on both sides, yeah. jenna: did you find that to be much more distracting, the actual pomp and circumstance than the issues. >> absolutely, absolutely more distracting. i know a lot of participant felt that way. i as a matter of fact, i know that candy crowley informed us at the beginning of day good chance we would get to 12 or 14 questions. we got to 11. that was it. jenna: a final question, wendy, you have your young kids, do you have hope, do you have hope in the next couple of years? are you feeling optimistic where the country is headed, what is facing your family? >> i spoke with the president at the end of the debate and i posed that question to him, i said to him, i'm worried. i'm worried and i'm worried about my kids. i would like to be hopeful but it's hard. you know it is hard to say right now, with the way the economy is, everything the condition of the nation it is hard to say. i want to be hopeful. jenna: did he give you a an answer. >> well of course. he is a politician.
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so he said, you know, just get my vote and, we'll have hope. jenna: we'll check in with you in a couple weeks and see if anything's changed. >> absolutely. jenna: we really appreciate your time today and your impressions and. >> thanks. jenna: thank you for sharing some family photos with us. you have such great kids. wendy, thank you very much. >> thank you. jon: wendy, gallup called you at 10:40 at night? >> at 9:40. mom was in bed. jon: my mom told me it was rude to call people at 9:00 p.m. anyway. good you took that call. you got in on the debate anyway. investigation underway after the flames are put out at a denver bar and grill. five bodies found inside. we'll tell you more about that. plus, who made a bigger impact on women voters in last night's debate? we'll get into that coming up. oohooo....hahaahahaha!
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jenna: now to colorado. firefighters in denver battle a fire at a bar but what they found when the flames were out was much worse than just a burned out building. rick folbaum has details from the breaking news desk. rick? >> reporter: a news conference we're monitoring from denver, jenna. no doubt about it this fire was deliberately set and whoever set it was trying to cover up a multiple homicide. that fire reported 2:00 a.m. local time. when firefighters got to the scene they found four women and one man dead inside of a bar. police do not think they died in the fire. apparently the bodies were in the kind of shape that leads them to believe they were murdered before the fire began. this was thero's bar and grill on colorado boulevard. it is five miles south of the downtown area in denver. the victims have not been
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identified yet. police are asking the public for help. anybody who may have been at the bar last night. you're asked to call. hear is the tip line for the denver pd. 303-6568-4336 is the number. they are trying to figure out the cause of death of those victims, jenna. autopsies being done on them and as we get more information we'll report it back to you. jenna: rick, thank you. jon: a good portion of the presidential debate focused on women. both president obama and governor romney trying to win over that key voting bloc by touting what they have done to promote women's equality. >> the first bill i signed was something called the little lilly led better bill. it is named after this amazing woman who had been doing the same job as a man for years, found out that she was getting paid less and the supreme court said that she could not bring
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suit because she should have found out about it earlier when she had no way of finding out about it. so we fixed that. that is an example of the kind of advocacy we need because women are increasingly the bread winners in the family. >> we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet. jon: let's talk about it with a.b. stoddard. she is associate editor of "the hill." i didn't know, a. about, how left out i was until i read the article in the hill today, said these two candidates mentioned women 30 times during the debate last night. men got far less mention. why is that? >> well, women are very significant voting bloc for president obama. he has been winning them by a wide margin over mitt romney the entire campaign. jon: is he still? >> until we saw a usa today "gallup poll" this week showing them at parity in the swing states. that is alarming democrats
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because president obama will need a big gap with women to win and so, both sides are really gunning for the women's vote now. and wanted to start last night. jon: we just heard from wendy biondi. she you talked to jenna. she was in the room last night and wanted to ask the president and i guess governor romney, down the road what are they going to do to make things better for her kids. she said she didn't really get that question answered during the debate and said she is still undecided. if she is representative of her gender, the president didn't exactly, you know, win folks over on that issue yesterday. >> well, mitt romney didn't win wendy over either. jon: yeah. >> it is their assessment undecided voters are skeptical, jon. i don't think they like either of these candidates. i don't think they like their choices. what they heard last night was a lot of attacking and challenging and in like most debates, not very long in sub sanity tiff answers.
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i think they -- substantive answers. they walked away frustrated. obama and romney answer quickly the questioner's question and pivot onto the attack point they want to make onto the other one. it is interesting question about whether, it is an open question, whether or not people like wendy are going to change their mind and actually get in a car on election day and vote for either romney or obama. jon: i think a lot of people maybe make the mistake thinking reproductive rights are the big issue for women. as we just heard again from wendy, it is really all about the economy and you know, grocery cart kinds of issues, isn't it? >> that is, what we thought all along in the campaign and that is true. it was strange this week in the poll i just cited, the "usa today-gallup poll", a large number of women were placing a premium reproductive rights and women's health issues, more than we thought. so again, many people are quibbling about that poll. look at the snap polls at the end of the night, many
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different ones, almost five i think, that declared president obama the winner but despite the fact they gave him a win on the debate, many of those polls showed that the respondents favored romney on the economy. thought he was much stronger. that obviously shows romney did well with women because in many of those snap polls he won by a big margin on the economy. that is still obviously a big issue. jon: right. the president is trying to defend his economic record over the last four years. a.b. stoddard from "the hill." thank you. >> thank you. jenna: i have a feeling we'll talk a lot about wendy's thoughts. jon: i think we are. jenna: interesting to hear. jon: she was in the room. jenna: one of the things she said just as she was leaving, she didn't really feel the candidates either really answered the questions they were asked. that it was all about just following a certain agenda. jon: talking points came out. jenna: that was, it i interesting, because the whole point was to answer the questions from the people. jon: right. jenna: so, we'll see again how this debate is digested among undecided voters. certainly last night's town
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jenna: welcome back, everyone. fresh off their second showdown, team obama, and team romney, now on the move,
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fanning out to different swing states. the president heading to iowa while vice president biden gears up for a campaign event in colorado. his gop rival, vice-presidential nominee ryan now at a rally in ohio. and governor romney has his sights set on virginia. so they're all a move. virginia is a very important swing state. 13 electoral votes up for grabs. john roberts is just in front of mitt romney's arrival in leesburg, virginia, and he joins us with more. hi, john. >> reporter: hi, jenna. the governor is wheels down here in chesapeake and then on to leesburg. everybody talking about the all-out brawl of the debate. what was probably the most memorable moment of the heating evening the heated debate about libya. governor romney wanted to know what he knew about the attack in benghazi and when he found out about it and why it took so long for the
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white house to come out and say it was an attack of terrorism. >> i stood in the rose garden and i told the american people and the world we were going to find out exactly what happened. that this was an act of terror. >> it was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're saying? >> please, proceed, governor. >> i want to make sure we get that for the record. because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi an act of terror. >> get the transcript. >> he did in fact, sir. let me call it a act of terror. >> can you say that a little louder, candy? [applause] he did call it an act of terror. it did as well take, it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of beingut ts tape to come out. you're correct about that. >> reporter: what exactly was it the president said the day after the attack? in the rose garden he said no acts, plural, no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation. that was lower in the remarks. it was unclear whether or not that was a specific
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reference to the attack in benghazi or just a more general statement about terrorism. jenna: he referenced 9/11 as well within that statement that he made on that day. >> reporter: he did. jenna: that is a very important international foreign policy conversation taking place. we'll have that debate next monday, focused on that. john, what about some of the domestic issues, domestic policy issues that were really highlights last night? >> reporter: definitely a lot of that last night and the president aggressively going after governor romney on domestic policy, as expected following along with his campaign theme that governor romney is dishonest if not outright lying about things like his tax cut. despite governor romney's repeated insistence that he will pay for it, and it will be revenue neutral, and it doesn't represent a huge tax cut for wealthy americans. >> and i will not, i will not under any circumstances reduce the share that is being paid by the highest income taxpayers and i will not, under any circumstances, increase taxes on the middle class. >> when governor romney
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stand here after a year of campaigning, when during the republican primary he stood on stage i will give tax cuts, he didn't say tax rate cuts, to everybody including the top 1%, you should believe him because that's been his history. >> reporter: governor romney hitting back against the president pointing out that he hasn't released anything like a concrete agenda for his next four years. reciting a long list of failed promises from his first term, making the case with all of that, why would you want to give him a second. domestic issues taking center stage in the important state of virginia with that event coming up in chesapeake, south of norfolk. later on battleground county of loud done here in the center of leesburg. jenna. jenna: got you moving all over the place, don't they, john? >> reporter: i'm a moving target. jenna: more on all of this as it develops. certainly a lot to talk about. jon: cyclist lance armstrong is parting ways with a cause
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close to his heart as a major sports brand cuts ties with cyclist at the center of a doping scandal. plus president obama saying he did call the murder of four americans in libya a terror attack after it happened. why the mixed messages from our ambassador to the u.n.? we'll hear a former spokesman for four u.s. ambassadors, next.
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>> you will get your chance in a moment. i'm still speaking. the answer is -- >> you're asking me a question. >> that wasn't a question. that was a statement. i don't think the american people believe that. jon: fallout from the in your face faceoff, which, as you just saw there got pretty heated at times. what did the combative nature of last night's showdown do to both candidates and their likeability qosh cents? what impact will the second debate have on the race for
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the white house? juning us for a fair and balanced debate, mary katharine ham, hotair.com and simon rosenberg, from a leading progressive think tank and former clinton campaign advisor as well. we brought you both on because you have differing views of the debate last night. mary katherine you think essentially it was a draw. >> i think it was more contentious because in the first debate only one side was fightinging a many even on the left have said. obama would come to the table with more this time, be more aggressive. i think romney relies less on likeability than obama does. there is more risk for him coming after somebody hard that way. i think mostly a tie. see in post-debate polling, a slight win for obama on the top line but when you look a little bit lower on issues like the economy and both cnn and "cbs poll" a double-digit lead for romney how he handled that and the debt. those are really important
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issues. i'm not sure that a narrow second debate win overcomes those. jon: simon, you wrote that you don't think mitt romney showed himself to be a strong leader last night. you think he hurt himself with this performance? >> yeah. i think on balance this was a very important night for barack obama. he clearly won in every snap poll. he made his case on the economy and foreign policy. that he didn't do very well in the first debate. it was important for him to get his argument out there to voters trying to make up their mind. but i think the biggest thing that happened last night some of the more promising areas for mitt romney, the economic engagement, the libya engagement and the perception of him being strong and effective as a leader all took hits last night. barack did a lot of damage i think to romney's economic argument. libya thing was incredible fumble and it is really going to be much harder i think now for the republicans to use that in the next few weeks, in closing part of the election. and i think his performance, romney's performance last night was simply not as good
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as the first debate. he look confused at times. he was angry. i thought he looked a little tired on the air. a lot of the strength that romney got out of the first debate it was the strong performance. it wasn't the arguments. it was perception of him. that took a little bit of a hit last night. i don't think it was a good for romney, structurally. jon: talk about that, mary katherine. you said the snap polls that mitt romney won the economic arguments. >> if he stumbled so bad on the economy, one wonders what the lead would look like in snap polls if he hadn't stumbled. perhaps it would be a in triple digits. snap polls showed he had answers were getting through. he had a couple long answers where he would do to the tax plan. he made a pitch to the middle class. on libya i think he walked down a road he shouldn't have. candy crowley since said he had a point on that. i think the fact we'll talk about libya for another couple days leading up to the next debate for roin
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policy does not bode well for barack obama he has to deal with the fact they were misleading for two weeks and they had intelligence within 24 hours they weren't telling us. jon: we heard a lot of talk about the economy, simon. mitt romney made a point the five million jobs president obama talked about having created in his term basically is only enough to keep up with population growth. it's not a stellar record to run on. >> look, i don't think barack obama is telling the american people he hit a homerun on the economy. things were really bad. they're clearly getting substantially better. they're clearly much better than when he took office. the country is clearly more prosperous and much better off four years later. i think what's going to be a major factor in the final few weeks, there is now a slew of economic data that came out in the last couple weeks showing the economy is substantially improving. we've had the unemployment rate come down. we had a huge housing number today. the deficit itself is 20% smaller than it was last year. and so, i think the
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just a few weeks to go until election day with the race incredibly close. what would happen in governor romney and president obama were to end up in electoral tie? that could happen. congress could decide who would go to the white house and could mean a romney-biden team. rich edson has more on that. >> reporter: jon, thanks to a tight election and the united states constitution. polls show states like florida, ohio, virginia, colorado, a few others going either way on november 6th. if these closely contested swing states fall in one of a handful of combination, president obama would have 269 electoral votes and governor romney would have the same. if the electors vote the way they're expected to, the decision false to the congress. house would elect the president. republicans largely
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expressed to hold the house. senate elects vice president. if democrats hold that chamber, that would likely result in a president romney and vice president biden. won one constitutional exert says the chances of that happening are as high as he has ever seen. >> i think an electoral tie is more likely than at any time i can remember. and, it will be a very interesting time. >> reporter: one analyst puts the chances of an electoral tie at a little more than 1%. though if it happens it will likely lead to months of uncertainty for businesses and taxpayers, pushing back negotiations on hundreds of billions in automatic spending cuts and tax increases known as the fiscal cliff. back to you. >> make bush v. gore look like childs play, wouldn't it? rich edson, thank you. jenna: during the presidential debate we heard a lot about libya and the administration's response. president obama saying he did describe what happened in benghazi as a terror attack the day after it
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happened. a fact that many have disputed as just not being true. so how come this message was so different from that of the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. susan rice just days later and the messaging several weeks later? we have a former spokesperson for the last four u.n. ambassadors to the u.n. at one time, rick you were affiliated with the romney campaign. haven't been in months including during this situation in libya. quickly off the top here, why does it matter, if they call it a terror attack the day after or two weeks later, what's the significance? >> well the significance is how you're going to call out extremist. are you going to immediately say that it's wrong, draw the lines of distinct shun and then work towards solving that problem? if you can't call it terrorism, if you don't know it when you see it, then clearly we aren't working to solve that problem. jenna: so you worked again for the ambassadors to the u.n., several of them. you've seen a certain process play out. is there any situation, any
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scenario where the ambassadors to the u.n. would have different information than the president of the united states? >> well, certainly then the president, i'm sure, because you rely on intel briefers, there will always be a plethora of information and whether or not the intel briefers are emphasizing certain things. there is one really key important point here is that charlene lamb, who is at the state department, was testifying what she saw as the situation was unfolding. susan rice has intel officers and security agents that are with her in her office that work in the same department as charlene lamb. so they should be talking. it's perplexing to me how susan rice's briefers, wouldn't have had the same information that others in the state department and other places would have had. so, i think that they're trying to, it both ways and pretend like the intel briefers didn't tell them something and yet susan
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rice was jumping out in front to pretend like she knew the facts when the facts were still developing. jenna: again, we're watching over a couple of weeks of this story developing, rick. are we hearing enough from either candidate on the way forward when it comes to libya, when it comes to engaging terrorists, when it comes to our national security? i know we have a debate coming up but up until this point do we know enough from either side? >> well i think the onus is on the president of the united states to come clean on what happened in libya. he is clearly playing semantics with the word you brought it up, this word terror. in the rose garden he did call it a terrorist attack because he mentioned the word terror but reporters are not doing a very good job of fact-checking him because on september 20th, there was a gaggle of reporters, a group of reporters aboard air force one on their way to miami and jay carney is
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specifically asked about the difference and he is asked, did you call this a terrorist act? and he says, no. he draws the distinction, that we didn't call it a terrorist act even though we mentioned the word terror later on. this is jay carney's words on september 20th. now we have the president trying to backtrack, saying i did call it a terrorist attack. if the president really called this the terrorist act and susan rice and president himself in speeches at the u.n. and on "the view" and other places, including jay carney on september 20th, eight days after the fact, didn't get that memo. so i think that what happened last night is president obama has created yet another narrative on libya. they are in trouble. they are scrambling. jenna: i want to point out to our viewers, jay carney said self-evident what happened in benghazi was a terrorist act. he said it wasn't premed
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tated. owe said i don't want to speak about something until we have information. the semantics and word choice and way forward. rick, unfortunately i have to leave it there to get to am commercial break. >> sure. jenna: we look forward to having you back. we'll be back with more "happening now." and these come together, one thing you can depend on is that these will come together. delicious and wholesome. some combinations were just meant to be. tomato soup from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.
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we have a full damage assessment. the second hour of "happening now" starts right now. jenna: the gloves came off for undecided voters. both candidates showed up for quite a fight. welcome to the second hour of "happening now." i am generally. jon: and i am jon scott. they came out figuratively speaking. they hammered away from the get go from audience questions ranging from jobs and health care. both candidates taking aggressive jabs and winning some punches. the topic everyone is talking about today is their tense confrontation over the deadly attack in libya. >> the day after the attack, governor, i stood in the rose garden and i told the american people and the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened. that this was an act of terror. >> i think is interesting that
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the president just said something on the day after the attack, he went in the rose garden and said that this was an act of terror. jon: chief washington white house correspondent james rosen has more. reporter: the big winner of the night in my unbiased view was as they let the buckshot flight early and often. the issue of how president obama characterize it led to the first eruption of applause by the audience when candy jumped in to declare one of the debaters to be correct. >> i want to make sure that we did that for the record because it to the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi. >> can you say that a little louder, can be? >> he did call it an act of terror. it did as well take you so for
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the whole idea of some of there being me right out there a ride out there about this case. you are correct about that. >> in fact, here's what president obama said in the rose garden on september 12. do not know act of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter the character, or eclipse the values that we stand for. today we mourn for more american to represent the very best of the united states of america. reporter: the president, that day, did not tell the american people that he had told us that it was an act of terror and candy told cnn from her own network that she was just trying to move things along. >> the acts of terror once
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again, or whatever the whole quote was. right after that, i did turn and say you are totally correct. they spent two weeks telling us this was about a tape. and that the riot outside the benghazi consulate was not. he was right in the main point, just picked the wrong words. reporter: it is also noted that can be presided over a debate of 3.5 minutes. jon: we will have more on candy crowley's' performance coming up. we do headed back out on a camping camping shelter they come the president in iowa and governor romney and virginia. the two spin machines are still going strong, and we expect them to for the next several weeks. the obama camp's senior adviser
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condi president's performance last night a strong one, and from now on, we should expect more of that. take a listen. >> i think you're going to see the hofstra barack obama. he was forceful, commanding, engaged. i thought mitt romney appeared to be debating candy crowley and not barack obama. i thought it was a bit uneven and unbalanced. maybe not comfortable. >> what but he thought that he lied during the first hole performance. [talking over each other] >> i am still amazed. chris wallace asked paul ryan, can you walk us through the map of your tax cuts. speak to the hofstra obama. congressman paul ryan also reacting, explaining why he thinks last night was a big win for the gop. >> the reason i think that mitt romney won this debate is
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because americans saw a plan to create a good economy and create new jobs per in what mitt romney offered was a very specific plan of how to get the country growing and get them jobs again. jenna: both sides believe they won the debate last night. we have our reporter just back from traveling with secretary of state hillary clinton. good to have you with us, wendell. reporter: it is actually progress for the obama campaign, which admitted after the first debate, that the president was often very vain. each campaign is putting out web ads. highlighting their candidates memorable moments. here's an ad for mitt romney. >> 's policies have not worked, median income is down in 23 million americans out of work. he said he would cut in half the
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deficit. he just hasn't been able to put in place reforms for medicare and social security to preserve them. that is what this election is about. it is about who can get the middle class in this country a bright and prosperous future. reporter: for his part, the president, made sure to mention that mr. romney said 47% of the country are takers. the obama campaign short of its lead with women with a wet adages governor romney of being indecisive on equal pay for women and more. >> suggested that employers should be able to make a decision as to whether a woman gets contraceptive coverage to insurance. governor romney says that we should eliminate funding for planned parenthood. there are millions of women all across the country who rely on planned parenthood doctors for contraceptive coverage, but for mammograms, cervical cancer screenings. reporter: the romney campaign
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responded that the president's policies have been hostile to women. 5.5 million are struggling to find work. jenna: window, thank you so much. live at the white house today. jon: with less than three weeks ago, the presidential debate watched closely by millions including thousands of american troops now serving overseas. lieutenant colonel oliver north watched the debate with marines in afghanistan. a senior military analyst joins us live from helmand province. >> john, last year when we were in this part of the province, there were former four marine battalions providing security. today there are just one. the last unit where i serve as an operations officer. we have been here since last month. thousands of u.s. contractors and our troops have watched the jobs that can be done by us
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before the obama exit strategy. a burst from a disappointment at the lack of attention, being on afghanistan, a comment, does anyone know the we are still fighting over here. number two, the white house is lying about benghazi because bin laden may be dead, but al qaeda is so alive. number three, if we pull the plug on these people before they are ready, -- well i believe that word up to you, but it is a bad situation. these are smart guys and gals. they focus on substance and not form. nearly all of the officers and ncos have made multiple tours of duty. despite what we here in the states about the problems at the ballots, only four pitchers that we have been with over here have had any problem over here getting a ballot to vote. it is hard for civilians to understand. but when a country person give blood, give to the navy marine corps, sports toys for tots or
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register to vote -- they do it. bottom line, these are much better informed, committed, committed, and dedicated than the civilian and dedicated than the civilian groups that can save it back to you. jon: colonel north, we wish you well in all the force as well as the continued great work for us in afghanistan. thank you very much be disabled so that they won last night. the debate between the president and governor romney. but it's not a one inning ballgame. the yankees are feeling that way, too. we have another round to go. less than three weeks before election day. support last night when he saw
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jon: getting higher marks for his more aggressive debate performance this time around? some giving mr. obama a slight advantage overall. others say that governor romney held his ground last night. how much will it matter? will give the president momentum heading into the third debate with only 20 days ago until we go to the polls? a piece in the national journal says that the bottom line is that obama and romney scored points while turning off independent voters what their point scoring. democratic and republican partisans will find reasons to shape the debate. charlie is a columnist with the washington times. not the author of that quote, but charlie, you are a watcher
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of all things political. when you think? did this race taking major change is a result of last night? >> that is something that everyone will agree upon. politically speaking, it was basically a draw, which is very bad news for president obama. something weird kind of happen at that last debate where president obama did so badly. it is almost like mitt romney and obama sort of switched positions. romney is running as the incumbent. and all he has to do is not screw up anything. since romney did not really have any kind of a major gaffe, although some suggest that he did over the libya thing, i don't agree with that. it is short of a major gaffe. the momentum continues to go and romney's direction. all those undecideds that remain at the end of the day, the majority of them are going to break for romney. in a perverse way for obama, that kind of helps mitt romney,
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i believe. jon: mitt romney pointed out that the president has not kept a lot of the promises he made in 2008. he promised us a lower deficit, that hasn't happened. lower unemployment, that hasn't happened. the president tried to answer that. when he talked about the promises that he says he has kept, and he wrote about it, i want to play that clip and get your opinion. >> the point is that the commitments i have made, i have kept. those that i haven't been able to keep, it is not for lack of trying, and we are going to get it done in a second term. jon: you found something humorous in that clip. >> this is comical. he said it wasn't for a lack of time, but then he goes on to say
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-- it sounds like it makes sense, but he really is sort of saying three different things that are all sort of mutually exclusive. but it really does, in my mind, it undercuts the credibility, especially since you now, again, is making promises that, you know, when we are wary of the promises that he made four years ago. jon: again, his traditional bogeyman these days as a republican congress. as liz claman pointed out last night, he had a super majority democratic congress for the first four years of his term. >> yes, that is the most devastating testament to his first four years. the fact that in the first two years, they had everything. they could've raised taxes and on all of these things are they now want to do. and they didn't do it back then. that come along with the fact the president obama is running on a record that is definable,
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and all he is able to do now is make new promises, just like he did four years ago, saying that it will be different, a telling moment was when mitt romney look at the audience and said i think you know. that meeting, i think you know what the economy is like. meaning, i think you know better. we can do better than what obama was trying to extend. jon: charlie hurt from the washington times. and you so much. jenna: candy was not supposed to be the center of attention of last night's big event. but moderator candy crowley is coming under fire after she stepped into settle a dispute between the president and governor romney. did she crossed cross the line? we will debate that with our panel ahead. and the first in the nation primary bread now, the state may end up deciding the presidential election. why new hampshire and therefore electoral votes matter so much
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jon: and fox news alerts and about one hour 40 minutes ago, firefighters got word of a fire burning in santa barbara. this is off of 154 near painted cave road. there are about 100 structures that are threatened. as you can see from the flames are climbing up that hillside, right towards those houses there. one hundred structures threatened. no word on how this thing started, although there is a report that power lines are down. whether that is the cause were the result of this fire, we do not know. at any rate, some evacuations have been ordered. these are live pictures of santa barbara is flames are marching up the hillside. the bad news is winds are expected to get much, much
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stronger as the afternoon comes on. we will keep an eye on it for you and let you know how it goes on "happening now." also, a rare earthquake in the northeast. this is normally a california kind of story read a 4.0 earthquake rattles the folks in new england. rick folbaum has more. rick: the nuclear power plant is right in the area where this earthquake was felt. thankfully, the plant was off-line. it was being refueled at the time. when the quake struck, there were no problems. and there were no problems anywhere, except for a few rattled new england nerves. >> we are sitting here. i am chasing my food on the table. it sounded like a freight train had dropped over. >> i was sitting in this chair,
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we had our feet up. the entire table just show up and i thought maybe the dog was under my feet and got up and shook the table. >> i was in an earthquake as a child once, too. we found out the next day that there was a little earthquake. it felt similar. jon: does everyone have a dog in new england? it was felt throughout the area. 4.0 according to the u.s. geological survey. it had about 7:15 p.m. last night. the epicenter about 3 miles deep. since this was felt across such a large area, the ground is older and older. temperature wise. which allows the vibrations. something i didn't know when i started my day today. rick: i do know that either. now you have informed us all. jenna: of our next guest also is from new hampshire. that is what we are going to talk about next. taking a close look at the battleground state that could
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hold the key to the white house. today, our focus is new hampshire. are voters in the granite state eking the winners of the last seven of eight elections. a quick look at the unemployment rate, we would like to take a look at it here. the word ends up with the national average, below that, as you can see, historically for the state, it might be a different story. 5.7%. the history of visits there. mitt romney has a summer home on the lake in new hampshire. he has been there 10 times. the president has been there three times. the president is headed to new hampshire this week as well. getting a little bit of the statistics on this, new hampshire has four let twirled votes. here is the polls predicted take a look at the so-called university news poll, it shows right now a tie. a virtual tie for the candidates in the race to the white house. joe klein is the editorial page where the leader.
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did you feel that earthquake? reporter: i did. it wasn't just the politics of the situation. jenna: what did you think of the debate last night? how much of a factor do you think it will be for new hampshire voters? >> i don't think it will be terribly big as a factor. it looked like it was a draw. neither candidate landed an economy knockout blow. new hampshire being the state where it is now tied in the polls. i don't think that they really changed a lot. you know, -- jenna: the polls only tell us so much. how does it feel out there? does it feel as close as the numbers are reflecting my now? >> it does. new hampshire has pockets is a small state. pockets of democrat voters in pockets of republican voters. towns that are sort of mixed as well. it does look pretty close. people are pretty excited.
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people in democratic towns are excited, people in republican towns are excited. you'll notice that where there president and ronnie go to visit. everyone i have talked to our campaign watchers. you know, they are coming to turn out voters. the interesting thing is that obama is coming to manchester. romney is having rand paul come to college town tomorrow. so there is some effort on mitt romney's part to reach out. jenna: it will be interesting to see if he can do that. i wanted to ask you about something that you mentioned. democrats, we keep on hearing from everybody the economy is the issue. that democrats have a little bit different strategy that you notice over the last couple weeks. predominately about social issues. tell us about that and whether or not you think that strategy is an effective one on the ground in new hampshire?
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>> it can be effective. democratic tax, they are going really heavy on socialist issues, abortion, planned parenthood, etc. a few years ago, they tried to run as far away as they can. jenna: seeing how things can change so quickly. it is always nice to have you on the program. always nice to have you back. jon: let's talk a little bit more about this presidential debate. candy crowley breaking rules, just like she said she was. was she moving the discussion along were picking sides? we will get into that with our new swatch panel. also, the taliban. they shoot a young girl in the head because she was speaking
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debate at times seeming to favor the president, actually backing him up when he said he called the murder of four americans in benghazi a terror attack the very next day in the rose garden. in fact he did not directly do so. a lot of folks are saying crowley went over the line turning from moderator into an advocate for the president. this morning crowley was clarifying her statement. >> i was trying to move them on. they were hung up on this one thing. mitt romney gone out and said, first they said it was the tape. then they said it was this. then they got hung up on did he say act of terror or not. he said acts of terror. but you're perfectly correct they took weeks, actually it was short, a month to figure out or at least to tell us and then he got back on, yes, the track. jon: candy crowley this morning on cnn let's talk about it with our news watch panel. ellen rat nor.
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jumpinger ton, -- jim pinkerton, writer for "american spectator" magazine. ellen, did candy crowley take sides. >> the debate commission clearly wanted her and let her decide to intervene. however i have to say i think that, her trying to clarify the issue of terror and the president's discussion was in fact a little over the line. i wouldn't have done it if i was a moderator. but on the other hand her overall, her moderation i think was quite good. jon: all right, jim. did she take sides. >> she went completely rogue on the rules. the debate commission and thing both romney and obama campaigns signed and shook on was the moderator won't participate in the questions. and, she asked as many questions as the real people which means the real people in the audience were squeezed out of that many questions they could ask. and ben shapiro of breitbart pointed out if you look at the questions, there were 11
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of them, six were clearly pro-obama. three were sort of pro-romney and two why neutral. dane gain nor at the media research center said, she was no longer on the umpire and got on the field in a team obama jersey and tackled obama. only next day did she admit got it wrong. >> i am jim, i have to tell you i would have not done that clarification. that with for fact this, fact that to do after the debate. i have to till you i do not think her questions and clarifications, they were not against the debate, debate commission said she could do. it was against what romney and obama wanted but they didn't, the debate commission did not sign onto that. so she was appropriate in the way i think she ran the debate. that one thing was inappropriate. and i will give you that. jon: what about the, what about the answers to the questions? i mean both of these candidates reverted to their talking points time and time
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again and didn't really answer the questions from the audience. isn't it the moderator's job to get answers to the actual questions, jim? >> well, maybe but that is not again, what, i mean the moderator, if you want, moderator wants to get into that game of fact-checking and nudging things along, that is a different kind of debate. i think the perfect debate to me is lincoln-douglas debates of 18508, where there is no moderator. lincoln and douglas went at it three hours on nine different debates and no moderator whatsoever. if you get moderator you get mistakes. obama said check the transcript. crowley thought she was supposed to take orders from obama. checked the transcript. got it wrong. they had actually heated debate over natural gas and energy, she didn't leave it to that, leaving "the washington post", that romney was right but that was next day when nobody was paying attention. jon: you have to admit, ellen, when the president
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challenged her directly, could i hear that again, candy and said it louder, she complied. that seemed -- >> i give you guys that. i don't agree her questions were too right or too left. i agree with jim, we ought to have lincoln-douglas style debate you about who in the american public attention span because of internet will listen to three hours or even two. >> plenty of people would listen to those debates. the point the press wants to be part of the show. they have, forced their way into this and say you can't have, crowley said look i'm not going to play by the rules. i will not be a potted plant. she should have been a potted plant. >> hang on a second. i want to play the first part of that libya exchange. there's a point i like to make i haven't heard anybody else talking about today. let's play it. >> governor, if you want to reply. >> certainly do. i certainly do. i think it is interesting the president just said something which is on the day after the attack he went in the rose garden and said this was an act of terror.
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you said in the rose garden the day of at tack it was an act of terror. it was not a spontaneous demonstration. is that what you're saying? >> please proceed, governor, proceed, governor. the president had the opportunity to answer the question. i guess this time, i did hear him off-camara and off microphone say, that's what i said. but he didn't say that. and when given the opportunity there to answer the question, he says, please proceed, governor, like get this camera off of me i'm not prepared to answer that question. >> i think that's right. look, what romney failed to do though was completely crunch home the point that even after obama had said, terror on that september 12th press conference statement, whatever it was, that they then four days later, sent susan rice out to do all five sunday shows saying it was a mob violence. in other words, obama, romney failed to simply say look, took a couple days for
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you to get your stories straight, this cover-up you wanted to have which was mob violence inspired by mohammed video which the president apologized in initial statement. >> the final thoughts are your minutesing words on terror. i agree with our very own cal thomas, let's have ex-presidents moderate the debate. jon: interesting. ellen ratner, and jim pinkerton, thank you. jenna: we have candidates scoring points and giving zingers, but are we getting the big picture how the presidency of either man would look like? what our country would look like over the next four years. we're going to ask that big question just ahead. what's next as well for lance armstrong as he steps down as chairman of his canner charity and a big, big name in sports cuts him loose? ring is on the story next
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jenna: both candidates last night hoping to win voters in a debate filled with a lot of heated exchanges but are we, the voters, winning? are we really learning enough from either man? a question raised by the editorial boards of two major newspapers in our country today, "the new york times" had this to say about the president. quote, what he did not do was describe how a second term would be more successful than his first has been and in particular show how he would cut through the thicket of republican opposition if reelected. "the wall street journal" with this on governor romney, saying quote, mr. romney could have done better, making the case for his agenda. in particular explaining why his policies will work better than mr. obama's. mr. romney is rarely good on the why. why is a big question. the big question of course for all of us is, are we getting enough of the big picture from either man?
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bret stevens, foreign affairs columnist from "the wall street journal" as well as walter russell meade, professor of humanities of bart college and professor at large for american interest. do you have the same feelings that we're not getting the big ideas, the big picture, walter that really we need to make this decision? >> well you know i think what we've got is the democrats are trying to protect a system that is sort of breaking down. it is interesting, three of the big cities in new york state where the debate was held are on the verge of bankruptcy. pensions are high. expenses are high. we don't know how to run the old system anymore. it is not working. on the other hand we can't pull a rabbit out of the hat. here's the new system that america will look like in the 21st century. so i think our politics are in a bad place because we've outgrown our old way living and don't yet know where we're headed. jenna: why, don't we have a path forward, what walter said? >> we have a path, a warning
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sign at least on one path. there was a line by, from governor romney which i thought was effective, he should have stressed it more, the road to greece. we are now witnessing here in the united states, if you bother to look across the atlantic, exactly what happens when an entitlement state grows too large and you combine that, too large entitlement state with a low-growth state. that is precisely what is happening with president obama and i wish the governor had driven this home. we have low trend growth that can't possibly afford the promises that he is now made with obamacare. so he is doubling down on the very system that is failing so conspicuously in europe. jenna: saying where you don't want to go is different from actually where you want to go. saying you do not want to go to greece is different from saying hear is the new america. here are the big ideas that will push our country forward. how do we get to that place? >> that is an interesting problem because the fact is the new hasn't been born
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yet. so you can't point to it already. jenna: you don't have it and we're looking to you guys. >> look, if you, it's clear, i think, that a new wave of small business, thought governor romney was good about this last night, a new wave of small is about, people start using all the creative power, the internet, the information processing now any one of us can get with a personal computer. there are millions of new businesses out there ready to be created. we don't know what they are. but creating a system that is incredibly favorable to the organization of these things will allow americans one at a time to figure out their own path. >> this is precisely the right point. what governor romney could have done and said, i believe in a million experiments in liberty, just as jon stewart mill did. who knew in, the mid 1970s that the companies of the future would be companies like apple, not sending people into space. we all figured we would be
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on a moon off jupiter back then, but providing miniaturization in a way we could hardly have dreamt of. the president keeps saying the energy of the future is wind and solar and so on. the president doesn't know the future. nobody knows the future. the future will discover itself and you have to create a system, as walter said, that allows that discovery process to take place. jenna: how do we start having that conversation? because it is not showing up in the debates? >> no, it is interesting. i think in some ways it has to begin at the ordinary level. you know, when i talk to my students and i teach, they say, what am i going to do? where am i going to get a job? one of the things i said, maybe you shouldn't wait for someone to give you a job. maybe how you could make a living doing what you really care about? that we have to, our educational system trains americans to sit still in claire's for 12 years, in rows, move when the bell rings, and you get a promotion at the end of the
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year if you follow directions. life doesn't work like that. >> look, peter thiel, billionaire entrepreneur, is paying young, brilliant people not to go to college, but to come up with new business ideas, new business ventures. that stuff is happening, in the united states. you know, we're not going to get the bright new future that president obama was promising four years ago overnight. nobody really knows. but again the essence of experiments in liberty, we know where we don't want to go. and that's europe. what we want to do is create possibilities where the mark zuckerbergs come up in the world. jenna: we'll have to leave it there. it will be interesting to see what we can come up with in the short time toward the end of the year when a lot of big decisions have to be made in washington and some of these other bigger issues will not necessarily be explored. hopefully we can start doing it here. thank you, gentlemen. jon: i'm pretty excited about the future just listening to those two guys. sounds good. her story inspiring people all over the world. a medical update on the
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brave pakistani girl shot in the head by the taliban just because she wanted girls like herself to be allowed to go to school. plus the debate over jobs. governor romney, last night, saying president reagan faced a tough economy too, but created many more jobs than president obama has. reaction from president reagan's son, michael, ahead [ ] how do you make america's favorite recipes? just begin with america's favorite soups. bring out chicken broccoli alfredo. or best-ever meatloaf. go to campbellskitchen.com for recipes, plus a valuable coupon. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. constipated? yeah. mm. some laxatives like dulcolax can cause cramps. but phillips' caplets don't. they have magnesium. for effective relief of occasional constipation. thanks. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'.
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jon: brand new developments right now in the lance armstrong doping scandal. more fallout from last week's report putting armstrong smack in the middle of a cheating program in the world of professional cycling. rick folbaum live in the new york any newsroom. >> reporter: lance arm strong losing two big endorsement deals and stepping down of the livestrong charity he founded.
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the cancer charity with the yellow bracelets that became recognizeable around the world from armstrong's battle back from cancer patient to tour de france winner. armstrong saying the controversy surrounding his career is why he is stepping down though he will stay on the board. this comes after the u.s. anti-doping agency's report that armstrong was a central figure in the largest cheating program in sports history. these are charges that armstrong continues to strongly deny. he has been banned from cycling for life, something he says he is not going to fight. he has just been dropped as a paid spokesman for radioshack and sporting giant nike. that company says that he is being dropped because of the quote, seemingly insurmountable evidence that he took performance-enhancing drugs and misled nike for more than a decade. now a report this week accuses nike of bribing a cycling official to cover up a bad arm strong drug test. nike strongly denies that charge.
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back to you. jon: what a mess. rick folbaum, thank you. >> we're getting some new information on the brave pakistani teenager shot in the head by the taliban for supporting education for girls. right now her doctors in the u.k. say she has a long, long way to go but they're impressed by her strength and resilience. look, she is still alive, she survived. one celebrity in her corner says the teenager deserves to be considered for a nobel peace prize. amy kellogg live in london with more? >> reporter: jenna, mall lala yousufzai's condition is still being called stable. we don't have details. there are privacy issues. her parents around aren't in the country yet. medical experts around the world are opining we can't really understand what happened to her, the extent of her injuries and subsequent damage without knowing the exact path as the bullet took as it went through her head. well-wishes are flooding in from all over the world.
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international medical experts have offered their services. the girl guides, which are like the girl scouts here, are collecting things they think mall lala would like to get get and islamic society of britain is posting a message board and gifts that malala should use if she recovers. angelina jolie said a huge statue of malala should be put with a reading at her base. pakistanis embrace malala's principle and reject the tie ran any of fear. pakistan's interior minister announced a civil award for malala for her bravery and possibly in response to the taliban's twisted claims that malala was against islam, pakistan's president
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zardari at a summit in azerbaijan yesterday, said malala is symbol of all that is good. quote, jenna, the work she did is far higher before god, than that which is being done by terrorists in the name of religion. hundreds of people have been arrested but most of them have been released. pakistan said it is going to crack down very hard and find the people who attacked her but so far that has not happened. jenna. jenna: certainly our prayers are with malala today as she continues her recovery. amy, thank you. jon: some wild surveillance video to show you. if you're going to steal something, have a better plan, or maybe at least, better shoes. we'll explain.
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jenna: common action. three robbers who thought they had the perfect crime.
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trying to make a getaway. surveillance video catches them. the trio just kind of tripping over each other, leaving their loop behind. cops saying they were trying to make out with some shoes. just as they went, they sort of fell. jon: crooks are not necessarily the brightest. thank you for joining us today. jenna: "america live" starts right now. megyn: fox news alert. you are looking live at iowa and virginia. two critical swing states where we are waiting to hear from obama and romney as we take on new questions today about who won the debate and who came out ahead after last night's town hall debate. and why those are actually two different issues, who won and who came out ahead. welcome to "america live." i am megyn kelly. most of the debate headlines focused on tools like tbs news, which asked uncommitted voters who won last night debate. they gave

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